(Part 9) The True Darkness Of Atheism

An atheist choosing to live for sin rather than for righteousness and becomes a fool

Mr. Bruce Gerencser in the past has blogged against my preaching about Jesus Christ. And lately has felt threatened again, so he has felt the push [through the devil] to attack me and another brother in Christ named Victor who has a blog called: Victors’ Corner.

I welcome his attacks because it shows that I’m making a dent in the kingdom of darkness. Through that poor soul, you can see the devil’s manifestation.

Bruce Gerencser the apostate turned atheist said:

“Atheists, in particular, aren’t shy about telling Victor and other zealots like him that their beliefs are rooted in fantasy; that the Jesus they love, adore, and worship, lies dead somewhere on a Judean hillside; that the only thing awaiting Christians after death is darkness, silence, and decay. Is it no wonder, then, that the Victors of the world view atheists the way they do?”

What this man said truly exemplifies what a fool is.

Insight: A Fool

Someone who is senseless without any discernment when it comes to spiritual matters and morality. One who knows or has been exposed to the truth but still rejects it. 

All he does in his blog is a rant against Jesus and His followers even though he wanted nothing to do with Jesus. Why does he continue to attack Jesus who he doesn’t believe in? Because his life is dedicated to doing the devil’s work. He is so blind that for not wanting anything to do with Jesus, Satan has manipulated this poor angry man to create a blog solely for [slandering] Jesus.

He claims to have a great and full life without Jesus, but why is he so bitter?

By devoting his life to attack Jesus shows that he is hurting really bad inside and is trying to take it out on God and those who follow Him.

Now you see what type of life an atheist lives. One of hatred, confusion, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and emptiness. They don’t “believe” in sin so they can enjoy being evil and vile. How dark your heart has to be to love sin so much that you have to convince yourself that there is no such thing as sin and yet, they acknowledge that lying and stealing is wrong. But, if they don’t get caught, for them it is okay.

Psalms 53:1

The fool says in his heart, “God does not exist.”
They are corrupt, and they do vile deeds.
There is no one who does good.”

That is what happens when you trade the Living God, Jesus Christ for the pleasures of this life, it destroys you and those around you.

2 Peter 2:21

“For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy command delivered to them.”

Hebrews 10:29

“How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace?”

Pray for Bruce and his family that they may repent for rejecting Christ. Also, pray for their health and well-being. 

My friends, do not believe in the lie of atheism. There is a God who is holy and righteous. Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through Him [John 14:6]

The sun, moon, and the stars, all point to God’s existence. And God has revealed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus loves you very much and wants to forgive you of all your sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus died for your sins and on the third day rose from the grave, seated at the right hand of Almighty God. If you truly believe this and ask Jesus to save you, He will.

106 Replies to “(Part 9) The True Darkness Of Atheism”

  1. So, Span, since you argue against other religions, does that make them automatically true since that is what your argument states. Any Muslim can say “I welcome his attacks because it shows that I’m making a dent in the kingdom of darkness.” A Muslim or a Christian you disagree with can say this “The sun, moon, and the stars, all point to God’s existence.” and have the same evidence you do for your claim.

    I lost my faith and asked Jesus to help restore it. Surprise, nothing happened. What is your excuse for this?

    1. My question to you is, why did you give up so quickly? You know something, clubschadenfreude, you are important and you still matter greatly to Jesus. He has never left, but you left Him. He still cares for you and is waiting for you. The Bible says that those who seek Him shall be found by Him, but you cannot give up so soon. If you can give me your name, I will add you to my prayer list and pray for you everyday that He may give you faith in Him. My is name Alex, nice to meet you.

      1. “so quickly”. Nice assumption on your part and quite an attempt at an excuse. It wasn’t quickly at all, It was over years. So, your excuse fails. It also fails because your bible promises quick responses to prayers. It says to “knock and the door shall be opened” not that “knock and a year or two later, the door might be opened”. it says that the mountain will move into the sea when asked, not erode into it several million years later. Thomas got his evidence immediately.

        Since Jesus Christ has no evidence for its existence, it doesn’t care for anyone. And per your bible, your god intentionally prevents people from accepting this god at all, so your promises aren’t supported by your bible. I’ve read the whole thing so I know when a Christian is trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

        As for your prayers, go ahead. I’ve had hundreds of Christians claim to be praying for me to agree with them. Hasn’t happened yet and this is over decades. So what will your excuse be, Span? Why won’t your god answer your prayers? Is it that he doesn’t like them and finds you not a Christian at all? Does he love an honest atheist? Or is it that this god doesn’t exist?

        My name is Andrea. If your omnipotent and omniscient god can’t figure out who I am, you have other problems.

          1. Alex, nice try to play pretend about my supposed “attitude”. But that’s needed isn’t it, to keep your claims about atheists consistent? You can’t have an atheist who is chuckling at you, We have to be “angry” for your nonsense to work.

          2. Wow, your attitude really speaks volume. Your hurt is really deep. If you weren’t hurting, you would have gone on with your life without being bothered by other Christians, but the reality is that you want Jesus to answer your prayer. How will He if you are so faithless.

          3. And one more lie you’ve chosen to tell, Alex. Nope, not hurt at all. Why did you choose to bear false witness against me, Alex?

            Unfortunately, you need to believe I’ve been hurt by something. Indeed, it seems that you hope I was so that I’m punished for daring disagree with you. I speak out against Christianity because it isn’t true and it does cause harm, happily not against me directly.

            It’d be great if Jesus did answer anyone’s prayers. It doesn’t. And Alex, how will Allah answer your prayers if you are so faithless? 🙂

          4. If you are not hurting, why are you here? Why rant so much against Christians and Jesus? Why are you here? Go live your happy life and leave the miserable Christians alone. Why can’t you do that? If you are not hurting, be happy and not bitter. You see, Jesus is the only one that can fulfill the void in our hearts. You swear by atheism, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are still here, fighting against Jesus.

          5. I’m here to show that you are lying. And no, Alex, I am not going to sit down and shut up like you want me to do. I will point out your hypocrisy. I’m very happy in standing up to people like you. It’s a good thing to point out that claims of miracles are false because people can get hurt believing in them.

            Jesus doesn’t exist. I don’t need it or your false promises.

          6. Andrea, you just proved to me that you are so hurt by Jesus that the one who you claimed to follow a long time ago, you are now attacking. You call that a stab in the back. It’s like having a really good friend, one day you guys fall out of the friendship for whatever reason, then instead of pursuing him because of your love for him, you give up after some years. You turn against your friend with pure hatred. You don’t stop there, you go after his other friends that he has acquired. You won’t be happy unless you are maligning your friend and his new friends because your hurt is too deep to bear. You can fool your atheist friends but no Christian will be. We see through you.

          7. No, Alex, I haven’t. You’ve decided that I must have been hurt to stay with your invented narrative.

            Again, Alex, how long do I have to wait since your bible says that this god will answer quickly and positively? That Christians disagree with you, alex, your attempt to speak for all of them doesn’t ring true.

          8. I did not make it up, it came from your own mouth. You said that Jesus didn’t answer your prayers. The result was to reject Him. Now, you make it your mission to topple people’s faith in Jesus. If that is not a hurting person then we need to rethink how a person’s hurt reacts to pain. We know that most people lash out when they feel that a friend did them wrong. Pain is written all over your face. The good news is that it is not toomend late for you to mend your relationship with Christ.

          9. Oh my, Alex. This god, supposedly looking for every lost sheep, has taken hmmm, over thirty years to answer me. And then you claim that your prayer was answered in a day.

            I make it my mission to tell people to know what they claim to believe in and to read the bible and not to listen to false promises of Christians like you, Alex.

            And still lying about me being “hurt”. Nope, not at all. Since I don’t believe in your god or your JEsus, there’s nothing to “lash out” against. You seem to be stuck with insisting that I must really agree with you when I don’t. And funny how you make claims about a face you can’t see.

          10. When a person doesn’t have pain, you will see them in good spirit. Smiling, laughing, speaking well of others and just having a shine to them. Does that represent you, Andrea? Are you so happy being an atheist that you shine like the noonday. Does your sunshine light up the Christians blog that you frequent to? Or, does it show a dark cloud of bitterness? The only one that you are hurting is yourself, not us. I find joy in telling people about Jesus and warning them of any deception. It is like telling a person who is lost and driving the wrong way that the right way is this road here. I feel good helping people. Do you feel good attacking Jesus, Andrea?

          11. I don’t speak well of people who try to lie to me or about me. I suspect you don’t either. And why would I need to “light up” the blogs of people who lie to me and about me?

            Yep, I’m happy. You seem to be terrified of that being the case, that an atheist doesn’t need you or your version of your religion. Of course you’ll try to deny what I say. Oh well.

            As for hurting myself, nope, not at all. I’m quite happy to tell people what the bible says and to point out that christianity does not equal good. It helps end thousands of years of nonsense, where people sacrificed their children on the altars of their beliefs, where people thought they had to murder other people because they believed differently or loved differently, etc.

            You have yet to show that there is any deception that you need to warn anyone about. What you are doing is claiming a danger, to get people to agree with you. The danger doesn’t exist. If you want to show evidence that you know about some danger and that your version of Christianity is the only one to counter it, please do so.

          12. “Yep, I’m happy. You seem to be terrified of that being the case, that an atheist doesn’t need you or your version of your religion. Of course you’ll try to deny what I say. Oh well.”

            On the contrary, I would like to see you have true happiness in Jesus Christ. You are loved by Jesus and by the believers who are telling you the truth. Before I was saved, my family was into witchcraft (Santeria) and I used to see demons walking in my house and witnessed possessions. Not only do I know for certain that God exist. I also have seen the fallen angels which the Bible speaks about. Atheists cannot understand this because they haven’t experienced anything like it but I have and countless of others. Myself and Marques want the best for you and we are convinced and know that Jesus is the best thing you can ever have. I hope that one day you will realize this truth and come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection.

          13. Alex, you can’t even show that you are a Christian. Why do you think I would be happier in something you can’t even show exists?
            Repeating the same baseless comments won’t make them true. Each Christian claims to be telling the truth, and unsurprisingly, you can’t even get other Christians to agree with you.
            There is no reason to believe you saw demons or saw possessions. Every theist claims that they know for certain their god exists, but then they claim that others ones don’t, claims made just like their own, no evidence presented.
            There is also no reason to believe you’ve seen fallen angels, especially when Christians try to claim that they are locked up in hell. You really need to get your stories straight.
            Atheists haven’t experienced such things because we don’t need to try to impress anyone by making claims about being able to see magical beings and be so important that those beings would bother us.
            Yep, you are both convinced, and you both have no evidence to support your claims about your religion or your lies about atheists. I’m no more impressed by your claims than you are of any other religion’s, all baseless like your own.
            You and others claim to be praying for me. What are you praying for? You say you “hope” now, but it seems that is backing off your claims of prayer and direct intervention by your god.

          14. Andrea, you can say whatever you like about my experience, but I tell you what, my own eyes saw what I saw and no one in the world can tell me otherwise. All Christians believe in all the core doctrine or else they are like you, a false convert. If you don’t want Christians to preach to you and ask why we are still telling you the same thing is because you are giving excuses and don’t want to truly open up. Look Andrea, if these questions and answers from Marques and myself bother you, why do you persist in coming to Christian blogs? You must understand that most of the Christians are going with a loving heart try to help you by asking you questions.

          15. I know no one in the world can tell you otherwise. That doesn’t matter at all.

            No, all Christians don’t agree on “core doctrines”. They can’t even agree on what those are. How is one saved, Alex? What does this god want its followers to do in worshipping it? What parts of the bible should be taken literally and what should be considered metaphor and metaphor for what?

            All you have, Alex, is attempts to claim that only your version of Christianity is the right one and anyone who disagrees with you isn’t “really” a Christian. Catholics claim this about Protestants, Evangelicals claims this about Catholics, Mormons claims this about Catholics and Protestants. And again, all of you have no evidence to support your claims of the one TrueChristianity(tm).

            Nice of you to lie again, Alex. Please do show where these excuses I’ve supposed use are, and how you know that they are excuses. it seems that you wish everyone to think you are psychic or are given special knowledge from your god.

            The questions don’t bother me at all. I think it’s wonderfully funny to see you keep trying to ask the same questions again and again, as if the answers I have already given will magically change.

          16. Salvation comes when you feel convicted of your sins and accept that the answer that lies in Jesus alone. To believe that He paid in full your sins debt on the cross and rose again. Conviction means that you are convinced and committed to Jesus Christ. Conviction also means a change of mind as the person has a repented heart.

          17. To you of course it is. To prove to you that God is real, it requires you to be sincere in accepting the evidence, but if you have made up your mind then my question to you is, what answer are you looking from me that you want to hear?

          18. There is no evidence for your god, Alex. But you are welcome to present what you have. You lie again in accusign me of not being sincere, just like you lie when you accuse of people who don’t agree with your version of Christianity of not being Christians.

            I’m here to counter your false claims about atheists. I’m content with you continuing making those false claims. There is no reason to expect you to apologize for them.

          19. We don’t know. Still no need for a god. It seems to have either always been there or started, again no god needed.

            Now, where did your god come from? What evidence do you have it is the creator?

          20. Space is growing outwardly, so it means that it had a starting point as it shows if you would hot rewind it will go to its beginning. Explain to me Andrea, how evolution with the big bang occur from nothing for nothing and for no purpose? How can something so complex can be created by nothing. Even the elements came to existence from emptiness. How is that possible Andrea? Explain that to me?

          21. What we have is the big bang expanding this space and time. We again have no good idea what happened before that. Still no god needed and still no evidence for your version of your god.
            You appear to be ignorant about evolutionary theory as most creationists are. The big bang has little to do with how life changes on earth, other than to start the whole long process. We also don’t know how abiogenesis took place, but again, no god evident at all.
            How can a god be so complex and be created by nothing? And yep, it certainly seems that something can come from nothing per physics and that something leads to nucleosynthesis thanks to physics. As it stands, it seems that there is never truly “nothing” only a bunch of everything in very small space. The laws of physics can be as eternal as your god is claimed to be. Now, do I understand all of the details? Nope, not at all. But I do know that there is no evidence for your god and plenty of evidence for quantum physics.
            We don’t need a purpose, nor does the universe. It can be that we simply are what happens in the universe. No god needed.
            Still waiting for evidence of your version of the Christian god. IT’s also cute to watch Christians like you have no problem with physics when you use the results of research,but have a fit when it shows your myths to be silly.

          22. “We again have no good idea what happened before that. Still no god needed and still no evidence for your version of your god.”

            What hypocrisy, you said you have no idea, but at the same time you said that you know for certain it wasn’t God…LOL, man now THAT doesn’t make any sense.

            “The big bang has little to do with how life changes on earth, other than to start the whole long process”

            Your comment is nonsensical. Without a beginning how can life come into existence? You should think before you answer.

            “How can a god be so complex and be created by nothing?”

            Because God is eternal without a beginning. The name Yahweh means I AM, translated to, I was always there. God transcends, space, time, and matter. He is outside of our universe.

            “And yep, it certainly seems that something can come from nothing per physics and that something leads to nucleosynthesis thanks to physics”

            WOW!…How in the world can all life’s complexities come from literally nothing, from no designer or intelligence? Prove that to me please, show me nothing creating something…lol. You are really gone with your logic. That is insane to believe that. I can’t believe I’m actually answering this question.

            “The laws of physics can be as eternal as your god is claimed to be”

            I mean, look at your statement above, it is worse than the first ones. How can the Laws of Physics be eternal if the universe had a starting point, showing its beginning at some point? Do you see your illogical way of thinking? You are stretching it to the point that you seem like a writer for a SciFi new series. If the universe has a beginning, the logical conclusion is that the Laws of Physics was instituted during the creation of the universe to keep it steady and from becoming chaotic. To do those things, winding the universe for life to exist and for making suns for light and warmth, how can that come from no one or from nowhere or for nothing? I personally think that atheism is the bottom pole of deception. Just like crack is for drugs. If someone sees a person doing crack, you think he or she has truly hit rock bottom. In the same way, when I meet an atheist, to me I see a person who has hit rock bottom, you can’t get any more deceived or become worse than being an atheist. Ladies and gentleman, that is rock bottom. Please, people, read Andrea’s comment and see for yourselves what an atheist believes. I didn’t make this up, she really said it.

            “Still waiting for evidence of your version of the Christian god”

            Honestly, hearing your way of thinking being so strange that no one, can help you see the truth, only Christ can heal your blindness. I did pray for you. Only God can open up your stubborn heart because you are one of the proudest person I have ever met.

          1. Alex, if your god answers your prayers, why haven’t you prayed for all children with cancer to be cured? Why doesn’t this god help soldiers avoid IEDs but has time to fix an accounting error?

          2. That is not how it works. We live in a fallen world and God will make a new one, but first we need to be cleansed of our sins to be with Him. In this life we will have to go through hardships and tribulations. My prayer for people, first of all is for their salvation and if God wants do to a miracle and heal their body, awesome if not, they will get a glorified body in heaven. Jesus never promised that everyone will be healed on this side of the world but He did promise us eternal life and a new body without sin. This world is not for us but the one to come.

          3. So, we have your claim that you pray and you get your prayer answered, but strangely enough when I ask you to pray for something that would help others that couldn’t be faked, you suddenly say that prayers aren’t answered “like that” right after you just claimed yours were.

            Funny how you have tried to claim that your “hardship and tribulation” was taken away because of your prayer but shucks, your god can’t do that for other people now. You have to now claim that it’s ever so more important to pray for their “salvation” when you yourself prayed for financial help. It’s easy to pray for things that no one can see, isn’t it? And then when your prayer fails, you’ll just have another excuse.

            How pathetic, Alex. Jesus and its supposed believes claimed repeatedly that people would be healed physically for the asking. Just the prayers of elders and oil is needed or if we are to beleiver Jesus, just being a baptized believer in him as savior is needed.

            Thanks, Alex, for showing that Christians make up excuses and ignore their bible when it isn’t convenient.

          4. “So, we have your claim that you pray and you get your prayer answered, but strangely enough when I ask you to pray for something that would help others that couldn’t be faked, you suddenly say that prayers aren’t answered “like that” right after you just claimed yours were.”

            I pray for people who are sick to be healed if it is God’s will. But the most important thing for us here on earth is to have eternal life in Jesus Christ. Even if a person gets healed but is not saved, what is his benefit if he dies lost? Elisha the prophet died from a foot disease and God didn’t heal him. People are already set to die a certain why but our true life is with Him in eternity. You want this life not knowing that there is a better one with Jesus.

  2. I will definitely be praying for Bruce Gerencser, and those who share his views.

    Everything that you, Victor, myself, and other believers post is because we desire to see men and women saved from the grip of sin, and brought into a loving relationship with Jesus Christ.

    I pray that Bruce will come to realize that he is fighting against the One person who can truly give him inward peace and unconditional love. May the Lord place Bruce into a life scenario, where he can be humbled and come to realize the Saving grace of Jesus Christ. I pray this happens before it is too late for Bruce.

          1. I never spoke about you, and here you are. Bruce was the one who started to attack my preaching before I ever heard of him so I responded so people can see both sides, plus as a Christian, my duty is to tell people the good news about Jesus Christ and warn them of any potential danger.

          2. Alex, you try to tell people about your version of your religion, no more than that. And since you have no evidence of any “danger”, all you are doing is looking for external validation.

          3. Andrea, go read my testimonies. You have no idea what you are saying and what Jesus did for me, I wouldn’t be alive today if it wasn’t for Jesus. I invite you to read all of my testimonies.

          4. I’ve read your testimonies, and again, we have a Christian who decides he get miracles and his god’s will is all about him, but screw everyone else who doesn’t get a miracle, it just must be God’s Will that they aren’t as special as Alex. Nothing surprising there.

          5. I never said that I’m the only one who gets miracles. I’m just sharing what the Lord has done for me. There are countless of others who have gotten miracles, just go to YouTube. God doesn’t have to cater to anyone but He wants people to come to Him with faith. If you Andrea, are faithless, God will not answer your prayers on that basis because it shows a lack of humility.

          6. Yep, you claim your god takes careof you and then you offer excuses why it doesn’t take care of people who need a hell of a lot more help than you. We have videos of plenty of people who claim healing and surprise, no evidence for it at all.

            You blame the victim, how Christian.

          7. My God, takes care of me, Marques, Victor, and all of His true children. Just know Andrea, that we Christians do care for you and want the best for you and your family. Jesus is the answer, He is the truth. I will go and have my coffee now. I will talk to you later. I really enjoyed our discussion and thank you for taking the time to talk to us. I got to know you a little better. I will reread what you said to Marques. I think what you said is very important and I would like to respond to it. I hope you have a wonderful day Andrea.

          8. There is nothing to show that your god does anything, Alex. Christians aren’t any happier, any safer, etc than anyone else. The promises of the lilies of the field and the birds in the air fail. The fact that Christians claim that other Christians aren’t Christians shows that you all want to pretend that your god takes care of you alone and if anything good happens to anyone else, you invent excuses.

            There is little reason to think that people who try to lie about me and other atheists want the best for me or anyone else. That just shows that you don’t care about your religion any more than I do.

            I’m still waiting for your answers about your prayer.

          9. You say that I’m lying to you, but you cannot see past your front door that you are so bitter and are ranting against a God who you claim does not exist. That my friend does not make any sense and does not show your happiness. I don’t have to be a psychologist to know when a person is going through internal turmoil. At the end of the day, I’m here to listen to you if you want to share what is in your heart as well as Marques. We will be here for you if you need us. 🙂

          10. You need to pretend that I’m “bitter, Alex. You have yet to show that i’m supposedly bitter or any of the other nonsense you’ve invented. Again, no need for your god to exist to point out it is a failure as a fictional character, and to point out that your version of Christianity is no more believable than the next.

            Keep on trying to tell lies about me and other atheists, Alex. I’ll be here to show that you are wrong. No “inner turmoil” no matter how hard you hope there is to make yourself feel better.

            It’s always great to see you still trying to claim that you know me better than me.

            Now, since you are praying for me, again, Alex, when can I expect results?

          11. This is what happened to you and those who fall away. Understand that I’m trying to explain your situation according to Scripture. When you heard about Jesus, you accepted the message, but your faith wasn’t grounded truly in Him. What a lot of people who abandon their faith have to understand is that faith, true faith endures. In the Bible, Jesus gave a parable of the seeds that fell on the side. 2 of the seeds accepted Jesus without committing their lives to Him. Eventually, their faith died. They never had genuine saving faith. They were close, but before they could get there, the saving faith they thought they had was gone. The last seed fell on good soil, it endured and produced fruits. Many people under an emotional experience with Jesus Christ think that by saying a simple prayer they got saved and after awhile their emotional experience starts to decrease so does the faith that they claimed they had. The sinner’s prayer has to be accompanied with a convicted heart and sincerity or else it is a false conversion.

          12. No, Alex, your false claims are not what happened to me. And yep, you are doing your best to claim I have to fit into your scripture. Alas, for you, I don’t.

            It’s such a shame that you find you have to lie about others and claim you somehow magically know about their faith and their history.

            All you have is a no true scotsman argument e.g. only those who still believe were “real Christians” a sentiment common to Muslims too, and blaming others for your religion’s failures. Nice to see you falsely accusing me of not being “sincere” enough.

          13. I know Andrea, you’re above what the Bible says. That is why you are still coming to Christian blogs to hear the same thing over and over again. Why is my question? If you have truly rejected the bible than go on with your life. Why are you still here? Why do you like to hear people tell you about your situation? Because deep down inside, you want to know what happened to you. But, when our questions starts to penetrate that is when you push back.

          14. The bible is a series of books written by a very ignorant people who were very scared about the world they lived in. I’m not here to “hear the same thing over and over again”. I’m here to show that your claims aren’t true. Alas, nothing happened do me, despite your need for it to have.
            It is not a good thing to allow lies to flourish without contesting them. Again, we have you makign false claims, Alex, and your questions were answered. It’s interesting that you ignore my answers. Why is that?

          15. Alex, you claimed you would pray for me. ” I will add you to my prayer list and pray for you everyday that He may give you faith in Him.”

            “I will pray for you that Jesus may reveal Himself to you. May the Lord bless you.”

            “For the record, when I pray, He answers me.”

            I’m waiting for something to happen.

            So, we end up with this, false claims from Alex about me and other atheists and promises of prayer that Alex seems to be reneging on.

          16. It is like giving direction to literally blind person, all you will get from him is, I don’t see the road you are telling me to go on. Unless you soften your heart to Jesus, you will stay blind.

          17. As soon as you can show that a road exists, then we might have something to talk about. Otherwise, all I have are your baseless claims about your god and your false claims about people who dare not to agree with you.

            I could say the same to you about Allah. Alex, as long as you don’t soften your heart towards Allah, you will stay blind. Do you see how silly that sounds to someone who doesn’t have any reason to believe your claims?

          18. That is exactly what a blind person would say, show me the road. Unless he is welling to go to the road which would take him to the eye doctor so he can see, he shall stay blind. You are unwilling to give a Jesus a chance. And no, waiting for the time that you waited shows your faithlessness because at the end you gave up. You couldn’t finish the race when it got tough. That is hard to hear but not having true faith will cause a person to quit.

            Jesus said in Luke 18 to pray and not give up. He gave an example that at times God doesn’t answer right away. He is never too early or too late, but always on time. You might think He was taking long but He was showing you that you did not have genuine faith. He wants to show you that you have to get that fixed.

          19. No, a blind person would say “give me evidence of a road”. They can’t see it so they wouldn’t say “show me”. You can’t demonstrate that your god exists, Alex. I have gone looking for the road. Unsurprisingly, there is none.
            As I’ve said, I’ve given this god a chance for decades and you say I should still wait. You declare that it’s my fault, and ignore that your bible says prayers are answered quickly, and positively.
            Thanks for the reference to Luke 18. It again say that prayers are quickly answered: 18 Then Jesus told them a parable about their need to pray always and not to lose heart. 2 He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor had respect for people. 3 In that city there was a widow who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Grant me justice against my opponent.’ 4 For a while he refused; but later he said to himself, ‘Though I have no fear of God and no respect for anyone, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will grant her justice, so that she may not wear me out by continually coming.’” 6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God grant justice to his chosen ones who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long in helping them? 8 I tell you, he will quickly grant justice to them. And yet, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”
            So, we have a god that will quickly answer prayers and will not delay.
            and ” 43 Immediately he regained his sight and followed him, glorifying God; and all the people, when they saw it, praised God.”
            Nowhere does it say that one must wait for decades. That’s something you’ve made up, Alex, and you ignore what your bible actually says.

          20. It says quickly according to God’s timing not ours. Our timing is way shorter then God’s. In Luke 18, Jesus said not to give up why? Because is timing might seem real long to us but is quick to the Lord.

          21. No, it doesn’t say “quickly” per god’s timing. It says quickly, no excuses at all.
            Now, if you do want to try the nonsense that your god’s time is different than reality, you have quite a few problems. This god then cannot know when things happen here, if it is outside the universe as many Christians claim. We also have a problem in when this supposed savior of yours will be back.
            JC said he’d be back within the lives of the people watching him. Let’s be generous in give him 40 years, an average generation. Now, if the bible is correct in that a thousand years is just a day to this god, and there are 14,600 days in 40 years, we have a confused god that will return in 14.6 million years.
            This is what happens when you want to claim nonsense, Alex.

          22. LOL…oh boy, how in the world are you going to understand without the Holy Spirit. I will explain to you the verse in its context even though I know for certain you will reject it. After I explain it, I will answer your other statements and end our discussion since you have made up your mind and at this point, I’m wasting my time.
            In the verses above, Matthew 24, starting at verse 15, it is talking about the Jews who will go through the tribulation. The Greek word for generation is “race”. Jesus, in context, is referring to the Jewish race who will be alive in the time of the great tribulation and will go through all those things is what Jesus meant. Read verses 15-34. In verse 33, Jesus said, “…when you see all these things, you know that he is near…” We know that His contemporary didn’t see those things because at the beginning of Matthew 24, Jesus was answering his disciples question about the future.
            The Jewish race has to be alive to see those things and we know that it hasn’t occurred. Also, a third temple has to be built and the nation of Israel had to exist. That prophecy has come to pass as in 1948 Israel became a Nation after nearly 2000 years. Can you explain that? You don’t need to, it was a rhetorical question in my part. I know for certain you cannot explain it just like the Scriptures.

          23. Yep, how can one understand without the holy spirit, especially when this HS has told Christians vastly different things? You are again lying when you clam I’ve made up my mind. I’m waiting for evidence from you that the creator is the your version of your god and I’m waiting for the effects of your prayers that you claim your god always answers.
            You have an entirely different version of what Matthew 24 says from what Christian interpreters have made. But that is to be expected since again, you make up nonsense based on your own hates and fears. Yep, JC was talking out the future, the very near future in this context.
            I do know that christens do need the Jews to be around so they can have their sadistic fantasies. No temple, and a couple of thousand years of failed promises of “real soon now”. I can explain it easily. Christans pick and choose what to claim as prophecy and mangle what was actually written into something new. Funny how Christians had no problem in insisting that their god would return long before any country was invented.

      1. Andrea, you said your faith decreased over time. Would you feel comfortable sharing with Alex and I what started you down this road?

        Was it a prayer, that you feel went unanswered? Did someone who professed to be a Christian harm you in some way, in the past?

        We understand if you don’t feel comfortable sharing this personal info with us, but it may help to get it off your chest; And help us to know what to pray about for you.

        1. What started me down this road? I have no problem telling you at all. Whether you’ll believe me is another issue. You both seem very intent on keeping your image of a strawman atheist going.

          I read the entire bible when I still believed and realized that it was no different than other myths and its god was just as nasty as any other bronze/iron age god. Then I thought, well, maybe there is a god but it isn’t constrained by the bible and its authors’ ignorance. Still nothing. i looked into other religions and found that they made the same claims as Christianity and had the same evidence for them: none. I came to the conclusion that there are no gods, especially as humans describe them.

          Again, guys, no hurt here, though you certainly seem to need to imagine that. Even if you pray for it, that’s not going to change no matter how much you wish I would fit your strawman.

          So, what are you going to pray about regarding me? I need to know so I can see if it happens and report back to you. And if it just depends on this god’s will what will happen, exactly what purpose do your prayers serve? The bible says that prayers will be answered with what is asked for (a father would not give a child a snake if asked for a fish) and will be answered quickly, the door is opened, the mountain moves when asked, etc.

      2. Andrea, you have read the Bible, and you say you believed in God. My question is have you ever felt convicted about sins you’ve committed, and compelled to ask Jesus Christ to be your personal Savior?
        You question God’s character, and you speak of not having your prayers answered immediately.
        You are not a person who easily gives others her trust, are you? Sticking to and trusting in your human intellect keeps you safe from getting hurt by others? Am I making the right assumption?
        There’s nothing wrong with having questions, but rather than casting God aside, I would encourage you to do a self-evaluation of your life. Are there past hurts that still have power over you? Are there things that you are doing in your life, that you know won’t serve to give you a bright future?
        I truly do believe you are a smart, intelligent person, and so I challenge you to do this self-evaluation, pray to God and ask Him to truly make Himself known to you. I then encourage you to read the following: Gospel of John, Romans, Gospel of Matthew, then the Book of Acts. This should give you a strong foundation of the true Christian faith.

        1. Well, Marques, yes to both of your questions. So,now what?

          I certainly do question your version of this god’s character. I also have pointed out that you are ignoring what your bible says about how quickly prayers will be answered. You are contradicting it, Marques, so who am I to believe?

          I give trust easily, so again you are wrong. What I don’t do is blindly believe anything anyone tells me. So your assumption is wrong again.

          Yep, per your own bible, there is no problem at all with having questions, and this god gives the answers, if you believe in your bible. You keep trying to claim that this god doesn’t give answers. Again, you contradict your bible, so why should I believe you if you claim that you believe in the bible?

          Again, still trying to fish for “hurts”. Sorry, but you are still trying to lie to yourself about me. You are so desperate to try to convince me I won’t have a bright future, a common tactic of a Christian trying to make me scared enough to agree with you. How pitiful.

          I’ve prayed like you said. still nothing, Marques. Your instructions failed, so now what? Will you falsely claim that I didnt’ do something “right”?

          You know that I’ve read the bible so what do you think rereading parts of it will do?

          As for the “true Christian faith”, that’s something each Christian claims to have, and none of you can do what Christians are promised to do in the bible. Can you explain why that is, Marques?

      3. Andrea, you said that you did feel convicted about your sins, and compelled to receive Christ as your Savior. Did you actually act on this and ask Jesus to save you?

        If so, what event in your life, or what specific unanswered prayer was it that shook your faith?

        1. Yes, Marques, I did. It’s a shame that you keep trying so desperately to accuse me of not doing things to find an excuse for you and your god.

          You’ve asked these questions before, Marques. “Was it a prayer, that you feel went unanswered? Did someone who professed to be a Christian harm you in some way, in the past?” I answered here: https://spiritualminefield.wordpress.com/2019/07/29/part-9-the-true-darkness-of-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-4588

          Why are you doing this?

      4. Andrea, you said:

        “I read the entire bible when I still believed and realized that it was no different than other myths and its god was just as nasty as any other bronze/iron age god. Then I thought, well, maybe there is a god but it isn’t constrained by the bible and its authors’ ignorance. Still nothing. i looked into other religions and found that they made the same claims as Christianity and had the same evidence for them: none. I came to the conclusion that there are no gods, especially as humans describe them.”

        You are certainly placing a lot of faith in your human intellect, Andrea. I am sure you’ve read Proverbs 3:5-6.

        Every person has life experiences that causes us to either receive Jesus or reject Him. I pose these questions to you, in hopes that you will reexamine what is truly at the root of your unbelief.

        We live under the same sky, breathe the same air, and Yes, we came from the same Creator. You may have come to this site for your own reasons, but I believe God brought you here, so that Alex and I could at least talk with you. Please know that everything we are saying to you is out of love and concern for you not forfeiting God’s gift of salvation.

        Actually, Christianity is different from every other religion, in that every other religion calls for a person to attempt to merit Paradise/Heaven/ascension to a higher existence through that person’s own works. I will even go so far as to say that Roman Catholicism is a separate religion from what the Bible actually teaches. Attempting to merit the afterlife by our own human efforts, DOES NOT work, because a person would never know for sure whether they’ve done enough good deeds to enter Paradise/Heaven. The God of the Bible knows that we can’t live up to His standards, because of our own sin, the wiles of the devil, and the negative influences clouds our judgment, so He sent Jesus to redeem us. Christianity is the only religion, in which a person can know with 100% certainty where they are going when this life is over, by them placing their faith in what Jesus did at the cross. And as Alex has previously mentioned our faith in Jesus, enables the Holy Spirit to empower, comfort, and grant divine wisdom to us as we journey through this mortal life.

        Unanswered prayer has been a common theme of your comments, which causes me to suspect that you encountered a situation, that was very important to you. You prayed about it, and things didn’t turn out the way you wanted them to; And you are angry at God about it.

        My hope is that you’d share with Alex and I exactly what this unanswered prayer was: prayer for a loved one, prayer for help getting out of a bad situation, prayer for a health condition that you experienced, etc…

        If it is not issues with a prayer request you made, then I have to wonder if you have an issue with letting go of some sin that God’s Word speaks against.

        Something that occurred in your personal life caused what faith you had to waver, And informed the current beliefs/conclusion that you shared with us.

        If you don’t feel comfortable opening up to us, then hopefully a day will come soon when you will decide to share your full story with another true Christian who can minister to you face-to-face, or better yet you’ll reach back out to Jesus directly.

        Andrea, I thank you for taking the time to consider what I’ve said.

        1. I always consider what you say, Marques. That’s why I write replies to your points.

          I place my trust in my human intellect since it works quite well. I would guess that you do the same, in everything except your religion, Marques. I think we probably both believe that molten steel would do bad things to our flesh. There is a reason for that, the human intellect that can comprehend reality. Proverbs 3 is rather silly “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not rely on your own insight. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.” This is the author claiming that this god will make life easy for its followers. How strange that this isn’t the case at all and Christians suffer as much as anyone else.

          Again, Marques, you are just so desperate to insist that I had some “hurt” done to me. Nope, not at all. All you have is a fantasy invented by yourself. You have to pretend thatyour god “brought” me here to satisfy your fantasy. Sorry, no one brought me here but me. And lying about me and to me isn’t love.

          You claim that your version of Christianity doesn’t require a person’s own works. Yep, that seems to be right, a blood sacrifice of someone else is what is required from your god to be forgiven of what this god caused. Now, Jesus does say that works are important and just faith won’t get you to heaven. The author of James seems to agree.

          Not surprised that you would be anti-catholic and try to lie that they aren’t Christians. Each Christian again invents their god and religion in their image and insists that only they have the right version. Per Revelation, works do count listed in the book of life, so again, your version isn’t what the bible says. Your god is rather a silly thing since it either intentionally allows Satan into the garden or was too ignorant to keep it out, then tried with Noah, and then tried with Moses and then Christians have it trying again with Jesus. This god could have made humans not liable to influence by satan but it supposedly chose not to.

          Nope, Christianity isn’t a religion where people know a 100% where they are going. Per the bible, there are people who are just playthings for your god to use as object lessons, so no one knows who will be damned or not. Each Christian also claims that they and the holy spirit are best buddies and funny how you all get different answers from this entity, and all of you have no evidence that you have the right version at all. You and the Pope, same claim, no reason to believe either of you.

          So, we have you and Alex claiming you’ll pray for me and when I ask when it’ll happen you both run away from that question. Again, Marques, you ignore my answers and that’s pathetic. I said I lost my faith, prayed to keep it and nothing happened. Then we have Alex claiming that I didn’t wait long enough, when your bible says prayer are quickly answered. All you have are excuses and you simply ignore anything that doesn’t fit with your invention, including your bible. I can’t be angry at something that is imaginary. I can be angry with people like you who make false claims.

          I’ve already shared that unanswered prayer, so again, we have you intentionally making false claims. There was no prayer about a loved one, a bad situation, a health condition, etc. And nice attempt to accuse me of a sin when your nonsense about me being “hurt” isn’t panning out for you. Sorry, your fantasies aren’t true. I read the bible, and looked at reality and found Christianity to be unsupported by reality and disgusting by its claims of supposed morality that include murdering children for the actions of their parents, among other things. If you are good with killing a child, well, that’s your choice.

          1. So much hatred for a God you are so desperately trying to avoid. Yet, here you are, trying with all your strength to get away from Jesus, but find yourself intertwined still with Jesus. What does that tell you? The Holy Spirit is trying to convict you, but the pain you demonstrate is keeping you from opening up to Him. You can say, I’m lying and etc, but nonetheless, you are still trying to convince yourself that being an atheist was the right decision by trying to win all of the arguments that you have with Christians. When you feel that you have won any given argument, you feel better of your decision. I pray that you may realize that fighting against Jesus isn’t going to bring peace.

          2. And still more Christian fantasies. Again, your holy spirit supposedly talks to all Chrisitans, even those who say you and Marques are wrong. Why is this, Alex? Why can’t your omnipotent being make it self known?

            Yep, you are still lying. Funny how your prayers don’t do anything, Alex. Why is this?

          3. You say, “I place my trust in my human intellect since it works quite well.” Frankly, I don’t see any of that intellect being displayed here. Your ranting exposes the deep hurt you have inside that you try so much to hide, so much so that you are blinded by the scars you don’t see the kindness and the time these two Christian men have given trying to minister to you. Even the humanists borrow a biblical concept, the golden rule and from what I see, you don’t practice. You can easily tell Spaniard and Marques that they are lying about you when in reality, they are just seeing through your façade. Your attempt in projecting yourself to be impenetrable is working against your favor. Take the time to reflect on your condescending and overbearing tone. You think God in heaven ought to treat you like a VIP catering to you? Humility is the key and reading through your responses here, it is a concept that is alien to you.
            Invoking killing a child to feign a semblance of morality does not fool anyone. Anyone who rejects God who is the origin of morality would have no clue about morality they can rationalize the most egregious behaviors. We can look to irreligious regimes as a case study on this.

          4. Well, Caeli, you’ve made the false claim that I “rant”, but that is up to you. You need to pretend a “hurt”, but you have no way of knowing this except for what you hope is true.
            Lying to people isn’t kindess, Caeli, I’m sorry that you think it is.
            The golden rule has been around far longer than Jews or Christians. It is not a solely biblical concept at all.
            I think that if there is a god and it has no problem at all giving evidence as the bible states, then yep, I deserve as much consideration as Gideon or Thomas. I’m not humble to something that is imaginary and that Christians can’t agree on.
            I’m sorry you think that killing a child is something to be ignored, Caeli. Your god is not the origin of morality. Every theist claims this and every theist has no evidence of this. You also try the claim that atheist leaders are immoral. No, Caeli, megalomaniacal leaders can be immoral. Alas for you, atheists have many different moralities and ideologies and we are just as good as Christians and other theists. Your god does many things that I do hope you would find vile if a human did them. If you claim that it is okay for a god to do these things and not a human, then your morality is subjective, dependent on what something is, not that the action is innately moral or not. Alas for you, I have no desire to murder people because they disagree with me, nor do I have the need to work with evil as your god does in Revelation 17 and Revelation 19-21.

          5. “Well, Caeli, you’ve made the false claim that I “rant”, but that is up to you. You need to pretend a “hurt”, but you have no way of knowing this except for what you hope is true.”

            – It is not a false claim. Any person could see that when a person starts off in a combative tone, especially an atheist, they rant about how they are morally superior than the God they claim to be non-existent. You aren’t the first I’ve dealt with and your reaction and “false claim” tactic is quite predictable. I may not know what you are going through personally but I can see you make it your life’s work to bring Christians down. I suppose you find your satisfaction in doing so. I’d say, that is a miserable way to make your mark in the world, talking about how evil an “imaginary” person is.

            “Lying to people isn’t kindess, Caeli, I’m sorry that you think it is.”

            – Your opinion about Marques and Spaniard (and other Christians) lying to you is headscratching to me, but it is evident of one thing. You have been lied to by someone you cared about, possibly coming from a man that you automatically dismiss the points they are making and assume they are lying to you. I am confident a psychologist would side with me on this.

            “The golden rule has been around far longer than Jews or Christians. It is not a solely biblical concept at all.”

            – I hope you looked at the link on the golden rule I have included on my previous comment to you. Most people claim what you claim but all they have are mere conjecture about dug up “evidence” that have not been deciphered while ignoring what we do have in our possession. I mean, if you are going to go the scientific route, don’t discount what has been unearthed for something that could possibly support your speculations.

            “Alas for you, atheists have many different moralities and ideologies and we are just as good as Christians and other theists.”

            – By what standard do they base this purported atheistic/non-theistic morality? This is a rhetorical question. You are going to answer it didn’t originate from God and you and I already know where we stand. No need to go in circles.

            “Your god does many things that I do hope you would find vile if a human did them. If you claim that it is okay for a god to do these things and not a human, then your morality is subjective, dependent on what something is, not that the action is innately moral or not. Alas for you, I have no desire to murder people because they disagree with me, nor do I have the need to work with evil as your god does in Revelation 17 and Revelation 19-21.”

            – You are entitled to what you think. I stand by my observation of the things you spew out that you are full of nothing but hatred and you are far from being happy and content. You may have no desire to physically murder people but holding on to hatred is considered murder. It is quite unfortunate to further estrange yourself from God in this way and only He knows if you have completely rejected Him. The only thing that I do find interesting is that you continually engage with Christians thinking you are going to bring them down but I want to tell you you WILL NOT succeed.

            You can think God to be evil but then again, you say He’s non-existent so I don’t see any logical consistency in your assertion. Touching on Revelation 21, it holds the promise of the new Earth that is free from all the suffering we have now. People can demolish and bring wrecking balls to dilapidated buildings without dissent because it’s acceptable but apparently not when God does that with His creation.

            I really hope you reconsider your position. I wish you well.

            Take care Andrea.

      5. Andrea, I saw what you said about praying for those with cancer and for those in the military, and I stand with the response Alex provided.

        I can literally feel your anger towards God, through your comments. I know that something occurred in your personal life that caused you to reject God. Its Ok that you don’t want to share what it was with us, as I stated previously maybe this will change down the road.

        Please be aware that you may encounter some life event that your intellect will not be able to resolve. If/When this happens you will have to make a choice to either let your human emotions drag you down or to cry out to Jesus for salvation, with a sincere heart.

        Take care, Andrea.

          1. I don’t read minds. Your abandonment of Jesus reveals no faith. You don’t have to read minds to know that. Your faith was never grounded in the Holy Spirit so it died. While you still have breath, you have a chance to get saved.

        1. Unfortunately, you can’t feel anything about me, Marques. That is a fantasy you have invented. And Funny how your god does nothing to answer prayers. The bible promises quick and positive answers, and you and Alex deny your bible. That’s fine with me.
          It’s so pathetic that you claim you know something and again, that’s just just your lie and your fantasy. But keep going with it, it shows that you have regard for your god who says don’t lie.
          Unsurprisingly, you try to threaten me with your god. Sorry, Marques, but no one needs you or your version of your god, and my intellect is doing quite fine. Despite the false claims of many Christians, there are plenty of atheist in foxholes who don’t cry out to things that do nothing for them. Nice lie about me not being sincere too.

      6. Alex and I both care about you, Andrea.

        I know what its like to ask God for something, and have to wait on His timing.

        Many years ago, I was without a job for nearly a year. I had health issues, and when I was well enough to job search, I got rejection after rejection on interviews. I prayed for myself, had other believers pray for me. Things got really tight for me financially, and I got depressed about the situation. I never gave up on God, but I certainly did question why it was taking so long? God would always bring Proverbs 3:5-6 and Matthew 6:33 into my spirit. I learned to trust God in the Waiting, and the waiting process made me a stronger believer. It also better equipped me to be able to share my testimony and encourage other people who are waiting on God.

        Because of the waiting process, I had a greater appreciation for the job that God did bless me with; And He blessed me above and beyond anything I could have ever dreamed.

        The above is just one example of what God has done in my life.

        God is not a “cosmic sugardaddy” or “magic genie” that gives a person whatever they want. I appreciate that He is my Creator and that He knows what’s best for me.
        From my own personal experiences, I’ve learned that when we pray God will either say, “Yes”, “No”, or “Wait”

        Its wonderful when He says “Yes”
        When He says, “No” – the believer must have the faith to trust that God has something better for us, that He knows that what we’re asking for might cause us harm, or that there are things occurring outside of our knowledge that will result in other people receiving salvation.
        When His answer is “Wait”, – the believer must trust Him in the waiting. Waiting builds Christian character, and demonstrates our faith.

        My heart aches over the suffering in this world; And I pray daily for the sick, military officers, calm to racial tensions, etc…, but I know that this world is only temporary, and so I do my part to be a source of encouragement in my community and to share the Gospel with anyone who will listen and receive Christ as their Savior. I’ve seen Jesus change the hearts of so many different people from various backgrounds, because they trusted Him and they didn’t give up.

        You’ve been talking with Alex about providing evidence:
        The sun, moon, stars, various planets, various types of trees and planet life, different species of animals, and even the way the systems of our human body operate – is evidence of an intelligent Creator.

        Andrea, Jesus Christ loves you. He knows your secret thoughts, concerns,and desires. He wants to help you, but you have to be willing to trust Him. You have to find the courage to come back to Him, without placing your own conditions or time limits on Him.

        Yes, there will be some adversity. Yes, you will have some rough days, but if you will open your heart and totally trust God; Understanding that He can see further down the road than we can, and He has the best plan for you; Then I’m sure your experience will be different then what it was the last time.

        1. Marques, lying to and about someone is not caring about them, no matter what you say.

          Again, your bible says that your god will answer quickly and positively. You have invented an excuse for your god not doing anything. You rely on simple coincidence and your own effort. Then you claim your god has done something magical. Plenty of people get rejections and then finally get a job if they keep at it; I did. It’s not like someone offered you a job out of nowhere that you never heard of. God didn’t “bring up” anything, you returned to the same pages in a bible.
          People die all of the time waiting. And people of most, if not all, religions make the same claims as you. Do you believe them that their gods do what they claim?
          Unsurprisingly, you like a lot of Christians, insist that your god isn’t a “cosmic sugardaddy” or a “magic genie” but your claims are that this god does everything you want and that your prayers are answered. The bible says that prayers are answered as asked, e.g. one would not give a child a snake if asked for a fish. The author of Matthew says that you are wrong “7 “Ask, and it will be given you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!”
          What you appear to be doing is what most theists do, make up modern interpretations when your holy books make promises that don’t happen. It’s easy to understand why since you can’t accept that you are wrong, you have to invented reasons why you aren’t. Even if that means ignoring your holy book when inconvenient. Your “yes, no, wait” is not in the bible at all, so I again have no reason to trust or you’re your version of your religion when you make it up.
          You offer excuses for the suffering in this world. You claim you pray but again we know that prayer is worthless since nothing happens because of it. You claim that your prayers are answered after decades, depending on coincidence or you make up excuses why they weren’t answered. I suspect if any other religion offered such nonsense, you’d laugh at them. You also try to excuse your god because you want to claim that this world is temporary. Since we’ve been waiting for a couple of thousand years for this god to get around to returning, it certainly seems that this claim is another false one. It’s easy to say “it’s not my problem” when you make up nonsense like that.
          You’ve claimed that you’ve seen people have their hearts changed, but you ignore all of those who have left Christianity since your god didn’t do anything and they had no coincidence to claim as their own personal miracle. You also ignore all of those who have died waiting.
          Marques, you haven’t been paying attention or you simply ignore what I’ve said, willful ignorance being the only way you can keep your religion. Most, if not all religions claim that their god is the creator. Please show that your version of the Christian one is. The human body screws up all of the time. Children are born with anacephaly. People get cancer, etc. Your god, if creator, is certainly a screw up. Now, you’ll likely claim that it is the “fall” that is responsible, which means you have no idea how the world would be before it, if you think what we see now is so perfect.
          No, Jesus Christ doesn’t love me or know anything, since he doesn’t exist. Alex and you want to pretend you know my thoughts but you don’t know them either. Again, I need evidence and this character has no problem presenting it in the stories. IT’s just the Christians now who have no evidence and insist that everything be on “faith”. You ignore what your bible says since you know it isn’t true. Thomas and Gideon presented conditions and time limits; you are wrong again.
          I have few rough days without your god so why do I need it if it’s such a failure? It’s funny to see you insist that I need to give your god another chance since it failed. Sorry, no reason to at all. Still waiting for your prayers regarding me to have some effect. So far, nothing at all has magically happened.

          1. The premise of an answered prayer is based in the person who is asking to have faith. You clearly did not have faith. Faith endures, it hopes, and trust’s, and is long suffering, meaning it doesn’t give up like what you did. Andrea, you never had saving faith.

      7. Alex, I’ve said pretty much all God has led me to say to this lady .

        I think she may have been taken advantage of by the Prosperity Gospel, which promises “quick fixes, and portrays God as a “cosmic sugardaddy.” Her heart has been hardened, because she’s been deceived.

        She’s either unaware of or conveniently is neglecting the Scriptures about having Patience, and some suffering being a part of our walk with God.

        This talk with her has actually helped me to reaffirm my faith, and I am adding Andrea to my prayer list, but God won’t force Himself on her. She’s going to have to be willing to let Him in.

        I’m leaving a few scriptures here, which speak on Patience, just in case she decides to take a look.

        I’m done talking with her for now, but I will continue to pray for her, because I care for all people.

        II Timothy 2:12
        If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

        Galatians 5:22–23
        “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”

        Psalm 37:7-9
        “Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for him to act. Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes. Stop being angry! Turn from your rage! Do not lose your temper—it only leads to harm. For the wicked will be destroyed, but those who trust in the Lord will possess the land.” (NLT)

        Romans 12:12
        “Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.” (NIV)

        Galatians 6:9
        “Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.” (NIV)

        Hebrews 6:12
        “We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.” (NIV)

        Revelation 14:12
        “This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.” (NLT)

        Psalm 40:1
        “I waited patiently for the LORD; he turned to me and heard my cry.” (NIV)

        Romans 8:24-25
        “We were given this hope when we were saved. If we already have something, we don’t need to hope for it. But if we look forward to something we don’t yet have, we must wait patiently and confidently.” (NLT)

        Isaiah 40:31
        “But those who wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint.” (NKJV)

        1. Hey Marques, thank you again for sharing your heart and convictions about the Lord to Andrea. Even though we cannot see Andrea’s heart and mind, we know that there is a battle taking place for her soul in the spiritual realm. Just like Saul/Paul before his conversion, he was found to be kicking against the goads. She is doing the same. Her deception runs really deep, making it very hard and difficult for her to believe in the truth about Jesus Christ. I know she revealed some of her struggles, but who knows what else happened to her and how deep of an impack that made in her heart that whatever we say to her, it gets thrown out right away. Sometimes, we cannot waste all of our pearls on a person that keeps trampling down God’s Word which we are giving her.

          She is in God’s hand and her eternal state is on her shoulder. Her decision will be based upon accepting the conviction of the Holy Spirit or not.

          You have a wonderful day Marques. Thank you for your participation in this conversion.

        1. Marques, I went to her site yesterday and I read what she said about herself and it was pure evil:

          “I also get a great amount of pleasure and satisfaction from those who suffer from their own willful ignorance, greed, bigotry, selfishness or arrogance.”

          Oh man, now I know why she rejected the Word of God. Marques, she likes to see people suffer and miserable. This woman is really bad. While I was reading her stuff, the expression of my face was changing in disgust. You and I know what truly is behind that woman, something really dark. And all those words she mentioned like bigotry, we know who are those people she is referring to.

          Remember that in today’s time, if you speak against Islam, homosexuals and any other group that you disagree, one is labeled a bigot.

          People like her are being used by demons to try and destroy those who do not conform to this world and serve her god of this age.

      8. Alex, I knew that there was a reason God instructed me to join you in this discussion with her. Despite Andrea’s rejections, we allowed Christ to shine through our comments; And I thank Caeli for her comments also.

        I contended with a guy, called the NonStampCollector, a few years ago. His story is that, “He used to be a Christian, but now he believes there might be a God, but he’s sure it isn’t the God of the Bible.” He mocks God in various Youtube videos. Sadly, a person like him will readily follow the AntiChrist and False Prophet; And lead his other Atheist Youtube followers to their eternal damnation.

        I thank God every day for coming into my life, and for other believers like you, who share God’s truth, and expose Satan’s deceptions. Keep standing for Christ, Alex.

  3. powerful exculpatory wisdom ..
    the wise of heart will receive commands, but a babbling fool will be ruined. he who walks in integrity walks securely, but he who perverts his ways will be found out. he who winks the eye causes trouble, and a babbling fool will be ruined. The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence. hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all transgressions. on the lips of the discerning, wisdom is found, but a rod is for the back of him who lacks understanding. wise men store up knowledge, but with the mouth of the foolish, ruin is at hand.
    th.ank you for your service & to God. love you all.

  4. Hi Spaniard,

    Haven’t you read Bruce’s follow up post called “Bruce and Satan rage against Evangelical Christianity”. Your absurdity gets a special mention.

    1. Thank you, John. Glory to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. May you, John, repent and believe in the good news of Jesus Christ. He loves you, John, and died for your sins. If you place your trust in Jesus, He will give you eternal life.

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